LT/LH and Club Foot - same theories?

In a way yes it can, but your going to have to start higher up to get to the source of the hoof morphology. Which came first chicken or the egg?

Some used to be on youtube but not sure if they are still there.

Well Tom I think you proved my point. If we use your double line as a toe. The first circle being a low angled foot the 3/8 from the apex will be farther back from the toe, the second the same point will have a different relationship to the rest of the foot, If you shoe 50/50 around the second your going to have a toe extension on it.

Only if it goes via Duckett's Bridge. It is of course understood that it will retain the services of a horse-drawn conveyance to accomplish the job.....

The chicken or its antecedents. Otherwise there would be no egg.......

Yes David is must take scale into account from Shetland to Shire.

The problem (at least in my incomplete understanding) with that diagram, other than the top line should be labeled CET instead of SFT , is again, it assumes Ducketts Dot is congruent with the pressure point. If that is your position, then we are really just debating semantics...do we call the net GRF 'Duckett's Dot' or the 'pressure point.'

The pressure point moves in the M/L plane too. Does the dot move accordingly?

Affixing a lateral support shoe (in a deformable substrate) moves the pressure point laterally...does the dot move laterally in this scenario too?

If the 'dot' changes position with angle, it really isn't a valid external reference as it would then require the practitioner to ass-u-me knowledge of its location.

I guess I just don't understand your perspective on it.

This is exactly how I understand what Tom is saying.

If that was so I don't think I would need to try anymore.

I hope not!!! The center of weight bearing is supposed to be half way between the attachments of the extensor and flexor. I'm trying, but not succeeding.

Illustrations in a learning exercise. Unfortunately I'm not getting very far with this.

How did the chicken hatch if there was no egg?

I always thought the rooster came first??

Not according to the hen....

He was a Good Rooster then!!

Does it assume that? I thought that I made it clear that the Dot is an external reference for locating an internal center.

That is not my position. GRF is at ground level. The Center of P3 is not at ground level. But wherever the center of P3 is, it stays there as long as the horse is in stance.

Indeed. But P3 does not move in stance.

If the dot is an external reference to the center of the bone, and the bone does not move in stance, how would the dot move in stance?

No.

Does the frog change position in relation to the bone when changing the angle of the foot?
Does the center of the coffin joint change its distance to the center of P3 (the radius of articulation) with changes in hoof angle?

I think you are confusing the idea of an external reference used to locate an internal center with the internal center itself.

I can't argue with that.

I would say I'm failing miserably to get through.

There appears to be points of confusion between actual internal mechanical points and external reference points that fall on a line through internal mechanical points.

Maybe I'm just a slow learner. I'm taking my thinking cap off and trading it for 'bar shoes' for the remainder of the night. About half of yall have my number so if you reach an epiphany call me...although I can't promise that my hearing won't be slurred as the night wears on.

LOL! Drilling a hole through a spot on the frog and having it come out of the extensor process sounds really cool and is probably neat to watch. Being that you have to a take a random guess as to which angle to drill that hole, the dot appears to be no better an anatomical reference point than any other part of the foot.

all I know is that it works and some hooves are better. if it starts to be a problem; I take it off. I sometimes use old trade secrets; sometimes those olde timers knew something more than I. sometimes what olde is new again; and sometimes there is no explaination; it just plain works with some horses and not with others. this is not an exact science; and every horse is an individual; so I listen, try it and see. I rather try it; be wrong, be humble, take the shoe off right away; learn from my mistake; than to put my nose up in the air that I know more; not try it; and not know if it was was needed. I do try; not always right; but I do try.

To quote an old Veteran Horseman, Col John Harriott..."It has all been done before."

Barenaked Ladies said that too.